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January 27, 2006

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rick thompson

I love your vison John. Pastors like me in churces like ours are pulling for this kind of vision and looking to people like you to lead the way. May we all become more "emertional"

Bud

John,

This is a great analysis of the kind of church that I, too, want. I am not certain that I know how to do the dialogue thing as well as the monologue, but I know that the concept of our new building will definitely lend itself to more dialogue/relationship/connecting than we have now. I pray that God will give us, as a group, the courage to step out with our resources and get this thing done.

blind beggar

This is a wonderful vision and I'd love to see more of our churches in the Portland area move towards it. Still, I see a need not to just transform form and practice, but the people. We must become a missional people in all respects. This is a much more complex and involved task than moving to the Emertional model.

Scott Gassoway

I really enjoyed what you had to say. Your thoughts on pride were especially poignent and thought-provoking.
One thing you wrote,
"Here are a few more descriptions of this church. Modern, yet postmodern." As you read this again, would you agree with Mark Driscoll's assessment that we don't want to be Modern or Postmodern; we want to be Christians who minister within a Modern/Postmodern context? Hopefully, this isn't too naive or simplistic. For me it serves as a warning to not confuse the Gospel with Culture. I believe that the vision that you are presenting has a lot of hope for letting the Gospel change Culture/cultures. Sounds exciting!

rameytime

good thoughts, john!

i do think that list reads very reductionistic and simplistic. I am wrestling, however, with what you said about size: "It is a church that views size as an opportunity to gather momentum that, joining with other sizeable churches, can dissuade corrupt powers from attacking believers (standing with others to influence events in Darfur or Damascus). Size that creates the organizational expertise to establish specialized ministries that are then able to reach special needs (like Katrina disasters)."

I would be interested in throwing this around with you a bit to find out more of what you mean.

all in all, though, it seems like you're simply advocating balance rather than watching the church, yet again, swing from extreme to extreme.

i pray that village continues to become a church transformed into a sherpherding, missional culture.

agentolivia

Hey Pastor John,
My comments were getting too long, so I've posted a response over on my blog. But in a nutshell, I'm encouraged, even though when I first heard you mention that term months ago, I had to chuckle. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.

Singham

Great Question, and I always like to snawer questions with questions. Are we talking about one million dollars for missions, or for missions and ministries outside the four walls of the church? If we are talking just missions, I would invest it in fulfilling the Great Commission. I would set up training for church memebers and those in the mission target area on how to evangelize, disciple and to start new reproducing churches that would not be dependent on the million dollars. The key word is invest, not spend. What would be like a seed and would continue to grow, even after the seed is gond. As you can tell, my heart is toward investing in the Kingdom, which will go further than just the million dollars. Start new reproducable churches. That is what I would do.

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