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December 30, 2012

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Shoka

I love that was able to give toward the Greater Things God is doing at Lifepoint. I only wish I had known you were gonna ask me to shoot a video with you. I would have aualtcly shaved, worn my official clergy vestments and dusted off my big, KJV coffee table Bible to look more pastoral.On behalf of ROCK Church, let me say again, Go Lifepoint Go! We've got your back and are cheering you guys on!

Arum

If Fr. Ruff can quote an ancient hiarctiosl authority clearly advocating free rhythm and departure from the 2:1 ratio, I would be very pleased to see it. Likewise, the Nonantolan and Messine notations most frequently show long signs rather than short signs on syllables with one note (ie, virga with episema rather than a plain virga in the former and a tractulus rather than a punctum in the latter). If they can be demonstrated to show otherwise, I would be pleased to see that evidence. For every melisma on a stressed syllable, I can present a melisma on an unstressed syllable. The paragraph quoted contains no overstatement.The views of Delorme and Vollaerts caused Murray’s views to change towards mensuralism and renounce the alternative. The views of a lot of contemporary scholars are not more important than the factual evidence that such views are either based on or contradict. The fact that Cardine criticises Vollaerts’ view is in itself inconsequential as a fact. The factual validity of the argument of either is what matters, not whether they consider it valid or otherwise.Of course Cardine elevated the manuscript notation above hiarctiosl quotes. That is precisely my point: he interprets the notation the way he wishes against the hiarctiosl descriptions of chant. There is much in the treatises which is quite straightforward in translation and, in the context of rhythm, the words “one”, “two”, “simple” and “double” are such terms. Again, if Fr. Ruff can quote any hiarctiosl source relating to chant rhythm where such terms are not clear in their meaning, I would be very interested to see that.The authorities are united in describing chant rhythms in terms of duple time and some actively criticise departure from that model (such as free rhythm). They do not do so “out of hand”. It would be clutching at straws to describe a passage such as the following by St Augustine as having more to do with “theological cosmology”

Irina

Mr. Codona,1. Please observe the commnets word limit like the rest of us. If you have posts that long, go start your own blog.2. We might be using some terms differently. Semiology (not semiotics, please note) is not based on Romantic free rhythm. In all the literature I've read, free rhythm is the term for the innovation of Old Solesmes equalism over against the mensuralism of the late 19th and early 20th century. There are three different things: mensuralism; Old Solesmes free rhythm (quasi-equalist); semiology. Please don't conflate the second and the third.3. Frankly, I don't see evidence that you've studed the European semiologists (little of their literature is in English), only that you dismiss them out of hand. This is rather foolhardy, given how numerous are the specialists and scholars holding semiological views. To engage and critique them would be another thing, and I would welcome it.4. I do not wish to join in a debate about the meaning of the treatises. That debate has already been had. I respect all sincere views on the question. You clearly have your position. Fine. I'm happy to leave it at that, since your writing suggests that you mischaracterize views you reject.awr

Pokey

THX that's a great anewsr!

Rosabel

Heck of a job there, it asbloutley helps me out.

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